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BeachBum
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Verbal and Non-Verbal Spells
How is it that Hermione could use a non-verbal 'levicorpus' to raise Harry and Harry is able to cancel the spell by yelling 'libracoprus'? Does that have to do with verbal vs non-verbal spells?
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Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:46 pm |
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Couldbeaweasley
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Where is that in the book?
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Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:46 pm |
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thatskeetergurl
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
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pg 435, Chapter 26, Gringotts
quote: "She raised her wand, pointed it at Harry, and whispered 'Levicorpus'"
and Harry was hoisted into the air by his ankle.
"Libracorpus!" yelled Harry, and with a crash he and Griphook landed on the surface.
We are questioning how these non-verbal spells of Snape's became verbal, and how one witch/wizard can cast a jinx, and the person being jinxed can "de-jinx" themselves. It kind of defeats the purpose of a jinx. _________________ well, well, well....this DOES look like fun....
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Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:03 pm |
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Couldbeaweasley
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Even though this is a little off-topic, is there a difference between a jinx and a hex?
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Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:17 pm |
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carrig41
Joined: 09 Sep 2006
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quote: Originally posted by Couldbeaweasley: Even though this is a little off-topic, is there a difference between a jinx and a hex?
A slight difference between the two as according to Jo, herself.
quote: Originally posted by www.JKRowling.com:
Spell Definitions
Every now and then somebody asks me for the difference between a spell, a charm and a hex. Within the Potter world, the boundaries are flexible, and I imagine that wizards may have their own ideas. Hermione-ish, however, I've always had a working theory:
Spell:
The generic term for a piece of magic.
Charm:
Does not fundamentally alter the properties of the subject of the spell, but adds, or changes, properties. Turning a teacup into a rat would be a spell, whereas making a teacup dance would be a charm. The grey area comes with things like 'Stunning Spells', which on balance I think are Charms, but which I call spells for alliterative effect.
Hexes:
Has a connotation of dark magic, as do jinxes, but of a minor sort. I see 'hex' as slightly worse. I usually use 'jinx' for spells whose effects are irritating but amusing.
Curses:
Reserved for the worst kinds of dark magic.
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Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:42 am |
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smile0751
Joined: 12 Sep 2005
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I guess the real reason more people cant undo the jinx is because they dont know the counterspell, or else how to do nonverbal spells if their tounge is tied.
Remember Madam Pomfry usually undoes jinxes, not the person who cast the spell. So I guess this makes sense... _________________ "Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people. "
Carl Sagan
US astronomer (1934 - 1996)
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Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:16 am |
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MistressofDeath
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
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quote: Originally posted by Couldbeaweasley: Even though this is a little off-topic, is there a difference between a jinx and a hex?
Grr, couldbeaweasley, why didn't you ask me? Oh well....*laughs* _________________ And then Snape was like "Avada Kedavra" and Dumbledore was...
Snape didn't have to do it. He didn't want to do it.
Dobby, I'm so s-so-sorry.
Tonks and Lupin are MARRIED, Tonks and Lupin are MARRIED....It's sad...about Lupin. and Tonks.
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Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:55 am |
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karlii26
Joined: 30 Mar 2006
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Location: Great Lakes region.... USA |
I know I talked about this before but in Bk2, chapter 9, Ron talks about this "Curse of the Bogies" that Quirrell had talked about the year before.
How is this related to the Bat-Bogey Hex that Ginny uses quite strongly. She was possessed by Tom Riddle in bk2. Quirrell was possessed by Riddle in bk1. Is this a hex that each of them learned from some of Tom's knowledge? _________________ "Although [Dumbledore] seems to be so benign for six books, he's quite a Machiavellian figure, really. He's been pulling a lot of strings. Harry has been his puppet,"-JKRowling,2007
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:53 am |
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karlii26
Joined: 30 Mar 2006
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Let's go to bk5 and think about the non-verbal spell that hit Hermione? Was it somehow less powerful then, because he was silenced? We were certainly led to believe so at that time... _________________ "Although [Dumbledore] seems to be so benign for six books, he's quite a Machiavellian figure, really. He's been pulling a lot of strings. Harry has been his puppet,"-JKRowling,2007
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Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:19 pm |
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mrs fawlty
Joined: 10 Sep 2005
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Can of worms here!
I can't really see that the curse hitting Hermione should have been less potent than if spoken, given Sanpe's insistence on their using non verbal casting techniques, UNLESS there are spells where the pronunciation of the incantation is crucial. This possibility is implied when they learn 'Wingardium Leviosa' in First Year.
Harry managed to counter jinx himself in the Lestranges' vault, but we see Snape unable to do so in Snape's Worst Memory in Book 5 - he couldn't reach his wand. _________________ '...no practical definition of freedom would be complete without the freedom to take the consequences.' - Terry Pratchett
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Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:27 pm |
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karlii26
Joined: 30 Mar 2006
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oops, I answered this in one of my other posts.. hehehe... *shakes head*
I think that some spells can be verbal OR non-verbal.. like Protego.. as we see in bk6. I don't think it matters which way you do it, as long as you have mastered the technique.
If the spell that hit Hermione was less powerful, it'd mean that the spell doesn't take well to being cast non-verbally, or that the caster hadn't quite mastered that spell in the non-verbal format.
In my opinon....
 _________________ "Although [Dumbledore] seems to be so benign for six books, he's quite a Machiavellian figure, really. He's been pulling a lot of strings. Harry has been his puppet,"-JKRowling,2007
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Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:43 am |
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greyniffler
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What if we think of the spell as a weapon (say, an infantry rifle) and the spellcaster's skill as combat skill. A given rifle or carbine will be a much greater threat in the hands of a well-trained professional infantyman (or a US or Royal marine) than in the hands of some random militiaman. (India is also known for superbly trained forces.)
If you doubt the value of that training, read No True Glory, House to House, or Ambush Alley. (None of them is PG-13.) _________________ ... and then you just have to play algebra ...
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Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:06 am |
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