MuggleNet's "New Clues" Theory Board

Lu Tonks · New Member Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 1

I don't think it was Voldy just because if he really was down there, he would have seen DD, so Bella wouldn't be so desperated to tell Voldy DD was there. Furthermore, Lightsaber, we all know Potter's scar hurts whenever Voldy feels a powerfull emotion... woudn't be killing Sirius Black an emotion powerful enough for his scar to hurt?

Lightsaber · New Member Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 7

OK you got me with that one Lu Tonks!! Excellent point. Thats the only point that beats down my suggestion!

~Edit~ Removed quote from post directly above.
-nawaan, Moderator

tcgjacob · New Member Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2

rose of hogwarts · Super Sleuth Joined: 01 Jun 2004 Posts: 120

The question that also comes to mind from Bellas comment is about fighting the animagus black. Sirius was not a registered animagus. I can see that bella might have known this from having been imprisoned near black in azkaban or if they go the nformation from pettigrew. Does his being an animagus make Sirius more susceptible to certain knds of spells. Also, does this mean that bella can transform into something also since this is the way sirius survived did she survive in the same way.

tcgjacob · New Member Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2

It is possible that Bella was also an Animagus but I dont think she would of needed to be to escape since it is implied that VM was controlling the dementors at the time he would of just had to order them to release certain prisoners and they would.

Jedi Elgee · Moderator Joined: 07 Jan 2004 Posts: 1772

Unfortunately, the canon (JKR's books, interviews & web site info) hasn't yet revealed much about Belletrix, including whether or not she's an animagus. I find it far more likely thaqt she discovered that Sirius was an animagus from Peter, via Voldemort, since there's not much said about prisoners communicating within Azkaban. Sirius mentions seeing Crouch Jr, in GoF (pg.528, US hardback), but the only person he's described as communicating with is Fudge (asks him for his newspaper in PoA- pg. 209).

therealcho · New Member Joined: 01 Jul 2005 Posts: 1

i have been thinking about this for a long time too! but i think it was the red light that hit Sirius. didnt it hit him and he got stunned, and was falling back to the veil or something? so he just fell and right at that moment where Lestrange hit him with the spell i dont think Sirius was dead. i hope JK Rowling explains this in the rumored 8th book.

MinervatheCat · Sleuth Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 65

Jedi Elgee Wrote:

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DAMember152 · New Member Joined: 03 Jul 2005 Posts: 1

All I know is that it wasn't AK or Stupefy, because if he was hit by Stupefy, it'd be like AK, stunning him instantly, and no change of expression. Hmmm...

Asher · New Member Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 3

Jade Obsidian · New Member Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posts: 7

URGH!! I just wrote out a very long post, and I guess I took too much time at it because I went to post, and it asked me to log in again...and now I have to start all over Evil or Very Mad

Anyways, I'll try to remember the majority of what I said...

I've read through this entire thread, and in doing so, I seem to have forgotten most of what I wanted to say. I guess 12 pages will do that to you!

The one thing I definitely wanted to get out there, though, is the question of Sirius's stance. The book says that the spell hit him square in the chest. While I think it highly unlikely that someone other than Bellatrix sent the spell, I wanted to throw in a piece of thought that needs to be considered.

I am no master swordsman, but I can't seem to recall any form of physical dueling where a person faces his or her opponent dead on. A fighter's arm always seems to be across their chest protecting their heart, body slightly turned. One never fights with an open chest, nor with an arm lifted straight up.

This also applies in sports, but for movement rather than protection. If you look at any skilled soccer player, or most other sports that involve direct confrontation for that matter, the player does not stand with both feet next to each other. One is in front, the other slightly in back, once more with the body slightly turned. In this case, the stance is so that the player will be on the balls of his or her feet, able to move lightly and quickly.

It's true that Sirius has spent 12 years in Azkaban. Also, he did fall backwards when the spell hit him, showing that he may have been square hipped and on his heels, therefore getting caught off balance. However, Cornelius Fudge mentioned in PoA that only ministry trained hit-wizards would have been able to deal with Black at his prime. Though his skill would assuredly have been a bit rusty, he was showing no signs of forgetting how to duel for the majority of the time he was fighting Bellatrix. Yes he was arrogant, and yes he would not be in perfect condition, but I just can't see Sirius forgetting such a basic part of dueling. It would be muscle memory, per se, by then.

If Sirius did not open his chest to Bellatrix, that would mean his heart was facing a slightly different direction. Bella would have had to aim a spell under his arm, which I'm guessing is quite difficult. A wizard standing to her side, at more of an angle to Sirius would have been able to hit him "square in the chest" much more easily.

Also, just picture someone fighting with their feet side by side, and their arm straight up. There could be no quick movement, and I can only picture the fool who stands that way with a great, dreamy grin on their face, completely unaware that spells are being shot at them. Not only is it unheard of, but it's almost a comical image.

While this idea doesn't confirm or disprove anything, I think it's a bit of information that needs to be considered.