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Chrido New Member

Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 6
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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canīt help thinking that the dementors then are the wrong choice to be guarding azkaban.
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It seems that the DE's have "obsessions" as well, not happy thoughts, so the dementors can't suck it out, their "sense of self" is based on evilness, not happiness.
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I know, it was my suggestion. But the consequence is: Who was the idiot to choose the dementors to guard azkaban, if they only can destroy people with a good heart full of positive feelings? Sounds very strange...
Have fun, and excuse again my english,
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Jedi Elgee Moderator

Joined: 07 Jan 2004 Posts: 1772
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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To add some canon to this discussion:
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"The first & most essential step is to remove Azkaban from the control of the dementors-"
"Preposterous!" shouted Fudge again. "Remove the dementors? I'd be kicked out of office for suggesting it! Half of us only feel safe in our beds at nigh because we know the dementors are standing guard at Azkaban!"
"The rest of us sleep less soundly in our beds, Cornelius, knowing that you have put Lord Voldemort's most dangerous supporters in the care of creatures who will join him the instant he asks them!" said Dumbledore. "They will not remain loyal to you, Fudge! Voldemort can offer them much more scope for their powers and their pleasure than you can!" |
GoF pg. 707, US. |
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Lucky#7HP Super Sleuth

Joined: 06 Mar 2004 Posts: 657
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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angel: It seems that the DE's have "obsessions" as well, not happy thoughts, so the dementors can't suck it out, their "sense of self" is based on evilness, not happiness.
True enough, mabye the reason that Bellatrix Lestrange didn't go insane in there was because she had too many unhappy thoughts, and actually enjoyed (*shiver*) torturing Neville's parents into maddness. Another thought, mabye the Dementors weren't really 'gaurding' her and her husband (and someone else was with them (not including Imposter Mad-eye--was it her brother.......Rodolphus?) cell since they were the only ones who actually tried to find Lord Voldemort, if you take my point. In other words, the Dementors would only gaurd their cell for the time that seems reasonable enough so no one gets suspicious (mabye they got orders from Lord Voldemort somehow?). If you take my point. And Dumbledore would most likely break out of Azkaban; it would probably involve some kind of concentration [nearly every spell or curse that we have heard of seems to have people to concentrate on something] but not a lot for him though.
*Now that we have finally found the right thread angel.....*
~Lucky#7HP~ |
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angel Super Sleuth

Joined: 12 Dec 2003 Posts: 926
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| "They will not remain loyal to you, Fudge! Voldemort can offer them much more scope for their powers and their pleasure than you can!" DD, GOF |
The MOM has no longer control over the dementors, so the dementors will spread all over the place, suck out the happiness off their surroundings, muggle or wizarding world.
It seems that the world will become very dark and cold and unhappy.
So far Harry can resist the dementors and defeat them with the Patronus.
happy memories are needed to produce a patronus. Possibly the same power that helped Harry to save himself from possession (happy thought: Sirius)...
If voldemort has all the dementors on the lose and aims for Harrys happy thoughts to get sucked out/destroyed, and succeeds, Harry won't be able to fight off dementors nor another possession by Voldemort (Voldemort might try a second time, things do come in pairs after all).
Possibly DD didn't mean that he could use his own powers to get out of Azkaban, but Fawkes' loyality.
Fawkes wouldn't leave DD there with the Dementors.
So DD would be gone "in a flash". |
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greyniffler Super Sleuth

Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 609
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| Cheering Charms may become especially useful now. |
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Kaylee New Member

Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I know this is off-topic but I just thought... if Rita Skeeter ever was imprisoned in Azkaban, she could easyly fly away.... I wonder if people who are sentenced to Azkaban are "magically tested" (if this is possible) if they are Animagi... as we know there are a lot of unregistered ones running around. |
But you also must think about Sirius. He was an unregistered animagus and if he were magically tested, he would show up as an animagus even though he is unregistered, thus, they would have made it so he could not transform. Clearly there is no testing done fore prisonners but it might be a good idea. So if Dumbledore is an unregistered animagus, he would be able to get out just as Sirius did. The question is, do they check to see if the prisonners are registered animagi? |
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Alastor Sleuth
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Is anyone else wondering why there is a register of animagi? I mean I can see the idea behind it, but there is no way of making people register, and no way of finding out if people are one. We know of four unregistered animagi (Pettigrew, Sirius, James and Rita), so it can't be that difficult to avoid registering. Is it optional? If it is compulsory, how do they enforce it?
Also, I think the idea of Dumbledore as a bumblebee animagus is great. Not only because of his name, but your animagus form is supposed to be defined by your character - and Dumbledore is a very busy man (I'm thinking of the phrase "Busy bee"). |
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Pikachu010 New Member

Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 1
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Dumbledore is the greatest sorcerer in the world. I'm pretty sure he could have done it in many ways. Maybe he was able to transfrom (transfiguration?) into a dementor? |
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ArtemisMoonbow Moderator

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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Welcome new sleuth! What clues from the canon (books, JKR website, etc.) lead you to believe that Dumbledore could turn into a Dementor? Since this is a sleuthing site, we do try to support our ideas with evidence from the book. |
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