MuggleNet's "New Clues" Theory Board

Mrs. Sprout · Super Sleuth Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Posts: 279

I like your theory, madeyemuggle, but do have a problem with it...the prophesy.

A spy in the Hog's Head heard the first part of the prophesy

altariel · Super Sleuth Joined: 30 Nov 2003 Posts: 226

That's what is confusing Mrs. Sprout, that its the first time the foe glass has shown an enemy from a rather different perspective--not because the enemy was with there in the same room but because they shared a brain or a body.

I think that's what selene's been pointing out, that perhaps the foe glass/mirror has got something to do with the "essence" of an enemy (in that case, Lord Voldemort to Harry, as Harry was in LV's mind). But because it's a dream, any speculation might be misinterpreted. Because even Harry gets confused if he were really dreaming it or its happening already. After AW's attack, Voldemort had an inkling that Harry can get into his mind..that might trigger a scream (confirmation?).

Although one thing about the foe glass is this: it shows your enemies when they are near so its not necessary that LV see all of them, unless they are near or in the same room with him. So I guess he sees shadows. Then if Voldemort has a foe glass, he too is keeping tabs on the OoP? But selene is right, unless they're right outside his door, I don't think Voldemort can actually prepare..

DreamWeaver · Super Sleuth Joined: 06 Mar 2004 Posts: 76

TurtleSleuth · Super Sleuth Joined: 25 Jun 2004 Posts: 7

I like the idea that the mirror is a foe glass. Also, Voldy technically would see himself since that is where Harry is at the moment. He probably keeps the mirror to show when his enemies are coming AND to convince himself that he is the biggest, baddest wizard around. Twisted Evil

Where are you guys getting the basilisk thing from? Question

Crucio! · Sleuth Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 30

Dare I try to awake a five month old thread?

Bounce it off a friend, 'double' takes, and all that. I had thought clearly since I read about the fact that mirrors can be used as two way communication that, thru this mirror, V is talking to someone we know and 'love', among many others I am sure. Dolores Umbridge has a mirror in her office as Jo snuck that tasty little morsel into the scene with DD taking the rap for the DA. Marietta caught her reflection in it and wouldn't talk any more.

Harry screamed because the face he saw was frankly terrible and at the time he was "behind" it. I agree with what some have alluded to, the fact that V knows Harry was there and enjoyed freaking him out a bit, I am sure.

Cannon: pg 586 amer.ver. "... for a few seconds he did not know where he was; he was convinced that he was about to see the white, skull-like face looming at him out of the dark again,..." "I was You-Know-Who," said Harry, and he stretched out his hands in the darkness and held them up to his face to check that they were no longer deathly white and long-fingered.

Clearly a freaked out Harry, it worked.

Cleaned up some spelling for clarity, corrected spelling of character name. ~ArtemisMoonbow, moderator. ty

Cody_DeDannan · Sleuth Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 18

Hey Crucio!, I awaken old, dead threads all the time. I;m about to ehre too. I just post on threads I find interesting.

Now...aside from what has already been posted, here is what I get from this clue. The falling down and cracking bit in the clue...that brought my attention to the crack. That made me think of the crack in the "age-spotted" mirror LV had in the room where he talked to Rookwood, and the cracked Foe Glass. (That didn;t seem to be cracked before, in book 4.)

Now...I don;t know if LV's mirror is a Foe Glass...I don't know that it matters. But the "two" clue got me thinking of Harry and Sirius' mirrors, which was how Sirius and James had communicated with each other in separate detentions.

The Foe Glass in the RoR had been in Moody's office. The fake Moody. now who said it belonged to the real Moody? The Foe Glass could very well have been Barty Crouch's addition to Moody's office. he had to have a way to communicate with his master, LV, right? Maybe LV's mirror and the Foe Glass are the two ways kind....

mgreen · Sleuth Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 12

for some reason i thought this hint was pointing to the mirror marrietta saw herself in, in relation to the mirror harry saw voldemort in(during his dream.)

abigailwilliams · Super Sleuth Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 235

Could someone please post the clue to this thread? Many thanks

Jedi Elgee · Moderator Joined: 07 Jan 2004 Posts: 1772

Oy! It's long, but here goes:
Two Things: The WWP Sleuthoscope is now shivering so hard it is once again in danger of falling down and fracturing. It just can't keep still- maybe we should take the advice of the Rememberit Quill and stuff it down the toilet (although the stupid thing would probably just wriggle its way back up again). As you may have guessed, there are some monstrous clues here. For instance, we have a roomful of intriguing items, and when Harry-Voldything looks into the mirror we see something very scary! Were HP sleuths able to spot it? If you weren't able to get it on your first read, you may need to read a second. If the second doesn't help you, perhaps you can ask the Room of Requirement for research help- there are a lot of tools in there to get you through problems like this. If all else fails, maybe you can find a friend to bounce ideas off. Sometimes two can work things out better.

Gran · Super Sleuth Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Posts: 87

This chapter mentions many names and all kinds of mirror images (starting with the title--Seen and Unforeseen), are set up, especially how real Harry's dreams seem and how dreamlike some of the "real-life" passages are (such as Hermione staring at F & G who were headless and selling their hats.) The clue seems to me to be pointing to friends and traitors. "Were the sleuths able to spot it?" Hermione is spotted when she nips into the girls toilet; Marietta gets spotted in the next chapter. What's in the Room of R to help with research? Harry dreams of Neville and Prof. Sprout waltzing together in there. Harry needs a friend to bounce things off of--and we know that Neville can bounce. This chapter (and GW's clue) hints at many, many things, and I think one of them is showing just how blurred the lines between reality and alternate worlds are, and a second is that more betrayals await Harry.

abigailwilliams · Super Sleuth Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 235

Many thanks for posting the clue, Jedi Elgee. This seems to be a whole chapter with lots of referrals to other parts of the story. In particular, the description of Voldemort reminded me of the killling of Frank Bryce in GOF- the way he is seated in the chair in both episodes and the way in which he is revealed as the horror which he is, and Wormtail's and Rookwood's fear and gratitude Fracturing also made me think of Ron, breaking his leg under the Whomping willow, which also connects with Wormtail. Perhaps the reference to the branch of the candlebra is a reminder of the Willow. I am sure Gran is on the right track when she talks about friends and enemies. The Whomping Willow, Wormtail, Ron and the foeglass all connect to Snape as well- who is to be trusted?

LadyDanika · Sleuth Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 15

I have finished reading this thread and am so happy that it is being "re-opened" and perhaps I can join. GW's clue is a little puzzling yet it can be "cracked"(hehehe sorry)

Two Things: The WWP Sleuthoscope is now shivering so hard it is once again in danger of falling down and fracturing.
fracturing=cracking

It just can't keep still- maybe we should take the advice of the Rememberit Quill and stuff it down the toilet (although the stupid thing would probably just wriggle its way back up again).
Ahhh the Chamber of Secrtets and moaning myrtle's bathroom (hold on for just a second)

As you may have guessed, there are some monstrous clues here. For instance, we have a roomful of intriguing items,
the Room of Requirement and the cracked foe-glass mirror

and when Harry-Voldything looks into the mirror we see something very scary!
the cracked mirror in Harry's dream in OotP

Were HP sleuths able to spot it? If you weren't able to get it on your first read, you may need to read a second.
The second book- CoS

If the second doesn't help you, perhaps you can ask the Room of Requirement for research help- there are a lot of tools in there to get you through problems like this. If all else fails, maybe you can find a friend to bounce ideas off. Sometimes two can work things out better.
The second Chamber theory and 2-way mirrors

The most striking connection to this clue hasnt been mentioned in this thread but once, on page one. And that is the cracked and aged mirror in Cos. JKR mentions this mirror several times in this book:

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raebeebaby · New Member Joined: 17 Apr 2005 Posts: 3

Hi, newbie...
Reading this clue, I have had some different thoughts to what has been discussed.
The GW clue mentions the Sleuthoscope falling and cracking again, as well as the ROR. The last time it did this was when the DA first formed in the ROR (Ch18). In that room, Moody's foe-glass was cracked (p346) and the question was asked where the supplies came from. Did the supplies come from items in the castle that were old and discarded, thus stored somewhere that the room felt free to take from? The books would certainly not be needed of DU would have cleared the DADA classroom of anything the students might useful to defend themselves with.

Leading back to the next line of the Ch 26 clue, mentioning a referrence to Myrtle's toilet. The Riddle diary that Ginny stuffed down it was old and 'pre-used' which is in accordance with the ROR mention above, as well as the desciption of the room that Voldemort is currently in. Candles, a velvet chair (affluence), a cracked, age-spotted mirror (p515-16)... Voldemort would need somewhere to hole up and using the Riddle residence could draw attention. Could he be copying the OOTP using the Black residence, and be staying in his mother's old residence? Being the last of the Slytherin line there would be no other contenders the residence which would have stood empty since the death of Tom's mother. Being a once-great family would explain the hints of once-great oppulence in the furniture.

The rest of the clue refers to monsters and 'a friend' or 'two'. Could this be a hint at the nature of what Voldemort did to bring him to 'almost human form'? He used some of Nagini's venom (Bk4 p569)... was looking in the mirror and seeing those eyes indicate that some of Nagini (hence 'monsterous clues') has been incorporated into Voldemort? 'Two' ... could he now be part human, part monsterous snake?

I have been left with more questions than answers I think, and I appologise for the length of the post but there was a bit to get out.

Rae.[/b]